Carolly, getting the scene laid out so that it works best is what I was really needing help with. Your suggestions will help a lot. Thanks! :o) Heya Sparrowheart, as Carolly mentioned, the way the bird is depicted it is easy enough to mistake it for an eagle. Nevertheless, do not despair, I am mulling over an idea of Gwaihir and will do a pic with him in the future - most definitely! As for the Old Thrush, that is just Sharkey's raven with a brown texture (I used a wood texture I had and it seemed to work.) I am no real bird expert but I have seen pictures of Thrush and Ravens and I think from certain angles etc. I can fake it. If not, someone will just have to help me come up with a Thrush. :O) Thanks again guys. Now if I can just get this pic finished before I have to head back out on the road (the 20th, and for who knows how long this project will run). Looks like this is going to be the year for me to be exceptionally busy. Rob