The thing that I find most worrying about any threads like this where people mention things like radiosity, better render engines, volumetric lighting, high polygonal models and other interesting toys that are commonly found in high end expensive applications is that while it would be nice to have these things in Poser there is one fundamental difference between poser and these other applications. Poser is and was an artist's tool. It was designed for those artists who could not and can not afford a real life model. OK, it's grown beyond that but... all of the poser models can be exported, imported into higher end applications and all the effects people want can be applied there - assuming you can afford those applications. The chances that Poser 5 could include many of these functions/features and still remain at it's low price, making it affordable to the masses rather than a select few rich cats is minimal at best. There is a reason that Lightwave, Max, Maya etc cost what they do, and it's not "just" because they're aimed at industry. I really would rather have Poser5 introduce better character creation tools, better posing tools and overall character control than have it introduce things that I can get from a higher end application... For rendering I would rather use the versatility of something like Bryce or Vue d'Esprit - which offer better render tools and are still cheap enough to be inside the hobbyist market. Adding more professional tools requires a more professional price. Or is this the end desire of the more pro users of Poser? To cut out the budget linked hobbyist and turn Poser into an industry priced higher end non affordable application? Scared that people's demands will price Poser out of reach of many? Damn right I am. As they say. You can't have something for nothing. The more somethings you want, the more the price goes up.