In response to Questar. You have made some extremely valid points, but i feel that CL are going to have to do something about Poser's render engine. If my memory serves me well, they are doing something about it for Poser 5. I think that Poser 5 will have to be a big leap forward, but not in the league of Maya just yet. I don't think people are saying that you can get as good results in Poser as you can in Maya, I think it's more along the lines of we have the ability to create 'real' looking characters such as the Final Fantasy ones above. CL knows that the industry is fast going in this direction and they also know they can't afford to be left behind. Better character creation tools, yes. But better lighting tools and a better render engine too. Plugins could also be a possibility as seperate add-ons to keep the initial price as low as possible.