Of course! The way you've explained it makes so much sense. Sydney has an eyetrans and I had tried that before but that was with anistrophic applied to everything and that obviously didn't work.

I took everything off and left just the bump on the eyeball and put glossy on the eyetrans. The example is with the glossy attached just to the alternate specular. I tried it with the glossy  also attached to the transparency and got a much sharper highlight. I like the softer one so just attached to alternate spec.

This is the first time I've ever understood what Anistrophic is for. That's the best explanation I've seen for how to do the eyes. I was so stuck and now I can go try to figure out how to get my lip mask to work. (It doesn't).

Now I'm wondering if using Ambient Occlusion will give me a shadow underneath the eyelashes. I've seen a fake shadow on eyemaps and don't know if that's the way to go for people who want to still use P4 renderer.

Thank you so much for helping. I'm not new to the material room but just dumb about it. Maybe someday I can get to the point where complicated setups don't totally confuse me. (g)