> Quote - I'm with metabog. Through two long threads and all your posts, there was no image that showed the arms simply down to the sides, which is the major one that matters! Why? Because of so many failed models with hideous shoulder pads and inward curving upper arms. > > Then at the other thread I see finally a render the shows the arms at the sides. Not bad. Yet....the arms are not really hanging naturally. They may be able to get into position to do so, however, so I am not saying you have not achieved it. It's just that, until V4, no important model has been able to deal with Poser rigging in a way that allows natural shoulders, underarm crease and arms. > > Best of luck phantom, hope it is a great male model. > > ::::: Opera :::::

Here is a link to the pic of my model with his arms down.  http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/media/folder_9/file_401840.jpg

It is a long thread, so in case you have trouble finding it here is a pic this is the newest work on the model I have taken off alot of the muscle and bulk, as per advice from people in critique.

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A HOMELAND FOR POSER FINALLY