lol Stormchaser never that!

Thanks again for the replies.

I am pretty familiar with the program now.  I have some techniques on how to do these things now but was looking for others.  I've been scouring the internet for about a week now for tutorials on these particular things and especially for the wounds there seems to be nothing.  Just the one tutorial from the first reply.

I'll check out the imaginefx site again, thank you for the tip about where the info is located there.

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