Hi Wolfie, I don't think anyone is "coming down" on the Bryce testers. Perhaps there is some frustration but it is aimed at Corel rather than the testers. Since ver 3 I have always thought the appearance of Vue's render was superior to Bryce's for some types of imagery. As it happens, I prefer the "Bryce look" for my style. In looking at the various B5 images posted I was mildly worried that the old look might be a thing of the past and I hope this is not so. Oh well, if it is at least I will still have B4 which I have yet to fully explore.