"But nevertheless, mocap, let's not forget our manners here." Its not ill mannered orrude to speak the truth and the truth is unless terregen is about to release a major upgrade I can destroy any terregen render with bryce4! Ive been to terregen web sites and ive seen nothing but mountain ranges and shimmery planes of water with some poorly placed photoshop lens flares!! excuse me!! but its that type of stereotypical image that causes Bryce to be the subject of scorn and ridicule by my fellow Lightwave owners and other members of the"high end "3D community and it that type of image i studiously avoid in my art. in bryce i can import highly detailed .LWO. 3DS. wavefront .obj and assign incredible materials to them and render them and save them to my bryce libraries as native bryce .OBP for reuse at a later time can terregen do that??? I dont think so.. Mocap