Starkdog

Try just making the area that touchs the ring a hard decoration like the ring. One of the biggist fustrations on the cloth room is that if you have any group interpenetrating another group, even thru a made hole, the collision dieteection no longer recognizes and collision, so, in this case your strap goes thru the hole in the ring but instead of colliding with the ring, it slides thru it. Sometimes you can make just the parts the actually touch into a coreographed group or a hard decoration and it will cause the interpenetraton to hold (locked solidly in place) but then the rest of the strap will act normally when colliding with V4.

mike