Lets start from the bottom first shall we?  k then

"You will of course lead by example see past the negativity and temperament can challenge and confrontation in my post and give me a 'bloody level headed friendly explanation', won't you?"

Of course I will Connie =D

*""Well, since you say I'm making things up and misunderstanding, can you please elaborate the meaning behind one of your sarcastic remarks, like this one: "Clarity is the devil!  Perpetrators of evil want to sell free meshes for profit and are unappreciative of sweaters!!!!"

"Like, waht was it supposed to accomplish? Add more negativity that I don't care to try and see past for any small gems of positive? Make freebie providers more eager to share with the community (knowing people will see past an occasional mistake they make? Make them feel that people using their stuff will be respective of the rights of freebie providers?
What exactly were you trying to express? Hmm?"

*Nyguy on page 5 3rd post from the bottom posted this: "If you want to skip that thread read this"
So what I said in the post that you quoted me on there was a response to that link and what was contained in it and the insinuation that ppl in this thread who agreed with the OP where lumped in with those described on that site.  I was trying to achieve a response to the link.

*" You're right about my not being dense, which is why aside from literal I can read implied meanings in euphemised sarcasam.
Or shal we go on playing silly word games "I never said that you said someone is dense", however, you did say I appear to be making thigs up. "

*If you and I both know that you are not dense than I wonder why that was ever even mentioned?  Im confused about how it is a silly word game to state that I didn't say something, I didn't say that, nor did I mean that.  I stand by the belief that two adult people can debate a subject without calling eachother names.  The insinuation that I did or anyone did call you names is absolutely untrue and I retain the right to state as much.  It helps to clear up the negatives.

*""If you want people to look past negativity, lead by example. You're not exactly looking past my negativity and trying to understand my point of view. You're being defensive and argumentative. Not any different then freebie providers act and feel when they feel overly criticized.""

*I said specifically that I was never trying to push a turn the other cheek philosophy.  If all of my posts were being read and not just skimmed to find the negative, that would be abundantly clear.  I also wrote an entire paragraph in my last post regarding my meaning and I have to refer you back to that if your still unclear.

"But look in the mirror, long and hard. You're not exactly welcoming criticisam of your own actions and behaviors with a welcome attitude and an apology. You're being all defensive about sarcastic remarks you made intentionally."

I'm more than willing to look in the mirror.  I was just discussing with a friend regarding this thread and how I can't change you by pointing out your mistakes but I might better myself by realizing my own.  If you are offended by my sarcasm or feel it was misplaced than that was certainly not my intention.  I've also learned that it might in fact be in my best interest to stand back and let negativity continue to control this forum in thier endless quest for reasons to lash out.  Looking criticisim in the eye and accepting it does not necessarily mean that an apology or even an agreement is warranted, it simply means that I am willing to see another persons point of view and I definately am. 

*""You admitted you were bing sarcastic. Well, sarcasam is yet another form of negativity, and often euphemistc way to work in a putdown.""

*Ok?  I most certainly was putting that link down.  I hope that I did not hurt the links feelings.  if so I hope the link accepts my most heartfelt apology - also Nyguy - if he felt "put down"  I did not intend to.

*""I wasn't refering to you only, but in addition it appears that you don't quite have a realistic view of how you come across. You don't get to be the judge of how you came across. Once something is out, all you can say, I'm sorry, I didn't intend it this way.""

Since were on the whole look in the mirror thing, if you have the energy, you may want to ;)  Anyway Im sorry if I insulted you, I didn't intend it that way.  I welcome any view on how I come across.  I'm not going to forsake any logic in doing that though.  I think you also don't have a realistic view of how you come across.  You seem incredibly argumentative and almost as if doing this forum war thing is a sort of hobby.  While we have gotten along very well in the past you take my one differing opinion from yours and see it as reason to do text battle with me.  It's not that serious to me.  Which brings me to your next line:

""I think I already said I'm not willing or interested in digging through negativity, looking for something positive. So, yes, this is another example of it. Am I supposed to feel bad or ashamed that I don't care to do that? Are you going to try the same thing one more time to see if my answer is going to be different?""

Nope - Im not going to try to change you or your answers Connie.  It makes absolutely NO sense to me whatsoever why you are willing to invest so much time in energy in seeking out the negatives rather than the positives, but hey keep on keepin on if its workin for you. 

K so I think that's everything.  In the end I still don't think that people who want clearly labled products (free or otherwise) are theives or horrible beligerant people.  I don't think they are rude from that or mean to thier Aunts who knit sweaters.  I think they just want the products clearly labled.

I am:  aka Velocity3d