One reason you don't see as much crap coming from the high-end apps, is that what you see is highly filtered, either by moderators or by public, humiliating abuse of those who post less than stellar work so that most don't try. There are plenty of crappy models and renders being made from top-end applications, there just isn't anywhere welcoming to those of lesser abilities in that tier to post them.

Sounds great, can we have the same here?

I love use Poser, since it's so easy to use and gives me the results I want in a very short time. The main reason I switched to Poser was lack of time. I used to model (and stil do occasionally) with Cinema4D for the games industry (some of my models ended in up in a number of RTS games ), but getting older I like to spent time with my family, non-virtual friends, get to bed on time, enjoy nature and so on. So I made the decision to stop modeling for games, but look for software to use in my own games that would give me models as quick as possible. So I ended up with Poser and have been using it ever since. Great for my games and later on my comics also.  Recently, I've left the games industry completely and took on a regular part-time job (working with troubled teens) trying to do something more useful with my life then only sitting behind a computer screen, looking back, it seems a waste of life by now. Still like playing with Poser, but with a time restriction, so the important things of life get not undersnowed by some crazy addiction again. To be honest I was glad to be able to pull away from it all.

That as a bit of background..... I've been one of those pro's as they tend to be called around here. I NEVER laughed about Poser, most of the pro's are a bit jealous of Poser users. I don't have a problem with the application, the problem is in the stuff people create with it. I still am amazed by the rubish the majority produces with it. It's given Poser a bad name and the content (geared at the majority of users preference) is it's biggest selling stubling block. Most Pro's will never take Poser seriously (not even when EF/SM puts Pro behind it's name) due to it's primary focus of the content and community. If the same filtering would have been applied to Poser, it would have gone a completely different direction and Poser wouldn't be in so much trouble is it is now. But by over-focussing on a certain genre, Poser has dug it's own grave and allowed itself to become the stepchild in 3D. The application itself has come a long way and offers a lot, the majority of the users are still the same and creating mediocre images with it, completely wasting the application. The most worriying is that most of these users never get any better at all and are cheering each other on with praising remarks. No wonder most of the 3D world laughs about the Poser related communities when all they seem to be able to do is creating mediocre images pretending they're masters at what they do and calling each other artists.

Take a look at what has happened to Vue and Carrara. Vue started out as some hobby application, same as Carrara. Vue has always applied filtering (I guess they've understood the potential danger of allowing poser users to link up with Vue) and keeps their distance from the poser communtiy. Look at where Vue is now and who's been using it. Now take Carrara, same origins and until DAZ took over it had a good user base and some well known names using it. The application was gaining notice in the 3D world..... until Eovia decided to sell out to DAZ. The user base moved on, the 'pros' watching on the fence stopped watching and Carrara lost it's good name and it's not taken seriously anymore. It has the same potential (and even greater) then Vue had, but it lost it's charm with the DAZ branding on it.

If the owners of Poser would have done the same as E-On, they would have grown huge, but the didn't keep the distance they should have (they even turned up at some porn industry related shows) and they've paid deerly for it. Now they desperately try to climb out of the pit they've dug themselves, but most likely they will never succeed.

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Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk