Hmm.  I created a separate dynamics group for the trim and gave that group a very high shear resistance (95) and it actually seems to hold the shape very very nicely.  I didn't want the trims to be rigid, just to hold their shape.  This seems to work acceptably for me :)  I'm actually not sure if the previous pic had a problem now that I look at it, there is a shadow cast by the semi-transparent cloth here.  At any rate this trim is very much what I want it to be.  It's so tight it squeaks!

Steve I think this was what you were talking about earlier in another thread?

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