First of all, you guys are all great, thanks! for all the help, both general and specific.

English Bob: LMAO, yeah, it would easy to be mistaken for a disgusting 48 year old guy looking for porn, seeing as how I'm a disgusting 48 year old guy looking for corn :)

"I just wanted to make a corny animation using angels, honest... (honey, officer, your honor).."

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heh. Anyway..I think it was Acadia's issue I remember reading about in the past here, I remembered something about the friction issue and had also played with that a bit before starting the thread.

Thanks all, I will dig into it and post back when I've found the solution. I got two votes for fixing / constraining / excluding cloth vertices, so that's where I will start.  As far as using one piece versus two pieces, I have fiddled both ways. Wait, that didn't come out right...I'm already in enuf trouble with the whole YT-Angels fiasco :)