Probably depends on the lighting, Punto? I'm not a big fan of Poser's HDRI function, so I tend to stick the fake HDRI as I like the results better - in that respect I've seen some renders get somewhat brighter. What's your experience? Interesting Kupa hasn't dropped by to say hi ;-) His blog is at poserpro.net ->blogs->In Character For those wondering what we're talking about re: Collada - see enclosed img. ~s