Thanks for the reponses people I''ve tried Cinema 4D and I know it is a much better package but I just can't get the hang of it. I might give Carrara a try. For 150 bucks (upgrade) I think I'm getting a pretty good deal. Most of my jobs are stills for Webpages but I'm kind of trying to migrate (if the need arises) to broadcast animations I guess After Effects and a little Carrara can make a good combination... (i hope) thanks again, talk to you later