i hope no new members read this.... it will drive them away in droves.......i have always been fairly treated on this friendly site.... sure ive been pulled up over a discretion but it was handled fairly..... and i have no complaints.... if i hadnt i would have left......

i personaly dont enter these challenges because i do a lot of postwork on my images..i consider myself an image maker using a photograph base , rather than singulary a photographer ...... photographers even in the pre digitalal age used plenty of filters and dark room techniques to achieve a pleasing image ....

after all photography is fun isnt it ?????