Unfortunately, the difference between Italian and French grips is more than just rings and quillions. The Italian also has a ricasso, thus, it is actually held further "forward" along the entire length of the grip than is the French. (Someone I faced found out that pommeling an Italian can give one inch more reach than pommeling the French--although sentiment de fer goes right out the window). Likewise, the French handle is not straight but has a complex assymetrical curve along its length--which is why one has right-handed and left-handed French foils. Italian foils are ambidextrous. Unfortunately, I don't have a French weapon on hand, nor have I had more than cursory examination of them, as all my Maitre's teaching foils for adults are straight-handled with an old-fashioned "butterfly" guard. I'll see what I can do.