......Pan....there is no "ultimate" in this....Every time I think I have seen an ultimate this or that in Poser....just about the time I THINK I can put my shoes back on....the socks go flying off again...... Scarab <-not pregnant (obviously), but barefoot, in the kitchen, having a snack standing over the sink so the crumbs dont fall on the floor and you step on them with your bare feet and....oh you know how icky that is......!