Quote - You forgot Vue..... ;) And when you get down to it, nothing else has the features -in package- that Poser does. Do any of the Big Boys (tm) have dynamic cloth or strand based hair out of the box? Not unless you forked over more $$$ for the plugins

Not true in all cases.  3dsmax has both dynamic cloth, and strand-based dynamic hair systems included "out of the box" so to speak.  It also has a world-class production render engine (Mental Ray), a highly complex node-based particle system (Particle Flow), and two different rigging types for character animation (Biped and Bones).