Doug...now think before you type:) Rhino has what is called re-sellers. The more copies a re-seller buys to sell(ie Renderosity) the cheaper they get it and the cheaper they can sell it. this is the same practice that is used with 3D Studio Max, Maya, SoftImage and alot of other software. (And I knew the answer to this and I have nothing to do with Renderosity selling it:O) I think I should get a commission for this one:) And yes these are full retail commercial and educational copies...the same thing you would get if ordering from them directly. GeorgeD