Its nice that these things can be tweaked, and I am still rather stunned that having bought Victoria 2, I find that she's detailed but rather ugly and unpleasant to look at. So I will have to buy some characters for her as well as clothes, and the bill is climbing rapidly. I think Posette, unaltered, default character, looks nicer. So I will try and change things. On that note, I was impressed that zygote got a real model and scanned her nude to get a perfect female texture, and so I parted with more good money, but the only tex map I can find, looks like someone painted it quickly with a pink airbrush. Photorealism? Unless the real texture is hidden and if so, then how can I put a mole or tattoo on her? Hopefully not connected to the model hired, the 3d geometry of Vicky leans towards her being rather wider in the middle than previous versions. In fact I can't make her look slim and athletic using any dials I find, which I was really hoping to do - most realistic model ever made etc - unless this means she secretly eats chocolates too! There's a 'look' for a character I need V2 for, that has a very very toned tummy. I saw a girl who would be more than adequate jogging the other day. Yet Victoria's tummy doesnt seem to want the tight toned, stretched look with the hint of eight hens eggs poking slightly up, that an athletic look gives. It looks rather angular when you hit the dials that way. I am really hoping this is my incompetence and its not that Im expecting too much. Thanks! flames welcomed. I know what I paid for and I think we all want the realism and flexibility. Maybe I need SMV? Dunno. SMV (if ok on V2) + Zoe? = $50 more? ... nb/ whilst I'm here, is zygote big enough to have the tech to make characters based on real people accurately? Like, if they got the money to get Anna Kournikova or Britney to pose nude for their guyz for a week whilst they spun their parameters, and lie on the scanner or whatever, then could zygote offer really accurate models of those people? If not, ok. If its possible, and if you're saying too much cash, then why not someone not famous but nontheless real, so you could see from comparative photos just how real the model was, and so I couldn't say that Vicky default doesn't really look like anyone, and thats why I need to buy a character for her (but does Zoe look really real either??)