Hiya! No, I've got Poser4 with the 4.02 update. The 4.03 update just messed up my settings and refused to let me export to Bryce... :o) Can you post a screen-shot of the menu you're talking about, Adminags? I've just fired up Poser and went through all the menus. There's nothing there about creating anything other than full body morphs or walk paths... Bugger. Forget that last part. I had the camera selected. Once I selected a body part the create wave option appeared! So, nobody's heard about Turbulence then? I wonder why CL have that posted on their site...? Cheers Adminags and Bloodsong! :o) - Hairy