thanks for the comments...the image only took about an hour and a half to render at 1024x768. The file is 446megs. I use a Duron 650 overclocked to 900 (running at 200FSB), and have 768megs of ram. When i do a final render after adding more vegetation and trees, and rendering at 3000x2250 and having high space optimization and fine art antialiasing, it will probably take ~18+hours. Will post one more wip in a bit. Bryan