William the Bloody, you've got good eyes... Yep, that's the Watcher in his infamous Ripper days. Glad I captured the likeness (worked a vamp's life getting it). I'll see what I can do about the wrinkles in the clothes. I've been staring at this thing for so long now, it all blends together. I like the idea of the guy smoking at the bar. But you'll have to tell me what a "cord" is for the guitar... I'm totally clueless. Wizzard thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I tried to do that, and got an ugly plastic look that seemed worse... Maybe I'll just do a transmap on a sphere??? Gotta play with that. There's a great tutorial about glass on the tute's pages, but it's not for Poser... and I don't have anything but Poser for now. Back to work! Tygercub