Ahh, thank you again Acadia and gang for bearing with me and proding excellent ideas. I'll check out the RDNA materials for sure because I'm such a ditz in materials room that if something works, and it's free, I'll go for it as opposed to endless plodding connecting nodes that I have no frigging idea of why I am doing so :-) I did get the chrome to work with the nodes method. despite the lack of gradient bump connection so seemed to not be needed.