Thanks Jim, I downloaded the stuff yesterday, spanned over about 8 disks, except the one I forgot, came back to pick it up today :) I agree about Vicky though, I've got both, and I still spend more time dicking about with posette based characters, they're just so much more attractive... it's not untill you've spent a while trying to improve Vicky that you realise just how attractive Posette really is straight out of the box, especially with one of Staale's maps applied. I shall try to upload my new image tomorrow, after that, I'm off again for a while, got to sort out my new job at a bank in Frankfurt, (I.T bod :) start July 1st later jb