Its very rare I wish I did have more shader options really. Most people don't even take advantage of all the map use options (one of my current secret gripes) in DS or Poser. You can create some really fab effects with extra maps. In fact if daz would just make tiling standard I suspect I would be a happy camper. I admit I've tried to do some lamp sets and was frustrated by the lack of translucence and occasionally yes a good alternate gloss setting would be handy. Procedurals have limited use but there is occasional time it is a better choice. Just one of those points I have been pondering really. -grin-

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