Forum: Bryce


Subject: O.T. Orwellian World Already At Our Doorsteps

Quest opened this issue on Jul 01, 2008 · 66 posts


mboncher posted Thu, 03 July 2008 at 8:16 PM

Actually, today, another Rush sub, Jason Lewis, made an incredibly cogent point about FISA and the judicial involvement in spying.  As he pointed out, the president, by article 3 in the constitution has the authority to spy for national security reasons without warrants, congressional and/or judicial oversight under the separation of powers.  In all technicality, FISA is unconstitutional for it infers powers of the executive branch to the Judicial.

Now, that being said the caller that brought this issue to the front asked about Nixon and the rampant abuse of said warrantless wiretapping and spying.  Lewis pointed out that would be illegal as it would be violating the rights of citizens for political gain, and once exposed to the public, by the use of such information, they would quickly investigated, voted out of office or even brought up on charges and imprisoned.  Nixon is the classic example of this power gone awry and the responsible reaction by a vigilant and responsive public and legislature which then balanced this.

For those who may not no, Warren G. Harding's term in office was entitled a "Return to Normalcy".  That was due to the fact that during the WW1 years of Wilson's reign, he was an imperial president.  He had squads of men rounding up political enemies and those who were in opposition of the war.  His justice department rampantly misused and misapplied the Sedition Act of the era which gave us the first amendment limit of "shouting fire in a crowded theater".  Harding's administration released all political opponents held at that time by the Wilson administration as well as a relaxing of these intense security measures put in place during that time.

We will come to another "Return to Normalcy" as long as we continue to remain vigilant and ready to vote for those who also believe the government has gone to far or too long infringing our rights.  This can't come too soon in my opinion.

Okay, have to address the New World Order picture.  :c)  Remember that this image was created by the founding fathers, most of whom were or were associated with the Masons (I'm not going to get into conspiracy theories though).  They were founding a new type of world order in the form of the American government that was not a theocracy, nor in the same mould as previous monarchies or styles of privilege and class government.  Hence the phrase Novos Ordu Seculorum.  Bush 41 had co-opted that phrase as a representation of the new creeping globalism, hence it's modern connotation.

Darn it... I'm perpetuating this thread aren't I?  I'll shut up now. :c)