Forum: Bryce


Subject: O.T. Orwellian World Already At Our Doorsteps

Quest opened this issue on Jul 01, 2008 · 66 posts


PJF posted Fri, 04 July 2008 at 5:40 PM

The Swedish and US (and other) laws on this cover traffic coming into and out of the country(ies). The rules on internal traffic are unchanged. The US government has had the power to open and inspect every piece of (snail) mail, parcel and freight crossing its borders since its beginning back in the 1700s. The Constitution has never once been breached by the proper use of that power.

Given the incredible level of active Islamist conspiracy throughout the western world, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that governments should have the power to monitor modern communications traffic between domestic groups and foreign groups. And in more traditional security areas there is no doubt that Russia and especially China are highly aggressive with online spying and hacking.

There are obvious concerns about "mission creep" and just lousy government, surrounding these powers but that doesn't alter the fact that we are threatened by very real enemies that rightly should be monitored.

Something I have noted in the UK is that more often than not those who express concern about the erosion of their liberties by anti-terror legislation are the same ones who are quite happy to support state corporatism like the BBC. Here is an organisation that operates a legalised protection racket; that advertises that it roams the land electronically snooping on people in their own home; that advertises that it keeps and uses a database of every home in the country; that advertises that it prosecutes tens of thousands of citizens every year (listing their names and addresses); that collects purchase data from every shop that sells a television, that imprisons hundreds every year, etc, etc, etc.

Monitoring terrorists = evil state power

Enforced state television = ooooh, cuddly aunty beeb

You want Orwellian? Here is a real video from the BBC (TV Licensing is owned by the BBC):
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ee_1210010683&p=1
This shit has been going on for decades but somehow the sandalistas bleating about freedom think it's fecking marvellous. Even more marvellous is that it's inevitably going to spread:
http://hardware.silicon.com/servers/0,39024647,39128359,00.htm

Meanwhile, back in Sweden, sandalista infested state schools want to control who eight year old kids can invite to their birthday party:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080629/koddities/oddity_party_snub

So, you gonna fight for your right to party or is there something good on TV tonight?