Haw haw haw. You're a funny guy, Joe -- its a shame youre not a stand-up comedian. I wasn't attacking you personally, its just that I've read a lot of "I want this in Poser 5" threads and the majority of them are extremely unrealistic. Some have even compared Poser to high-end 3D modelling/animation programs such as Maya 4 and SoftImage|XSI. You have to realise that there are programs out there that cost $15000 and include features that couldnt possibly be included in a low-end hobby program like Poser (oh-oh, I'm really going to get it for this one). Everyone can dream, and a lot of your 'dreams' are great ideas that would be nice in Poser 5, and some of them will probably be implemented. But COME ON!!! Skeletal systems, wind & gravity and other universal laws, clothing collision detection and geometric hair???? I think youre reaching, man. Although I'd like to see them in Poser 5 as well, I've come to terms with the fact that they wont be there. This isnt an issue of "setting low consumer expectations", its an issue of "setting REALISTIC customer expectations". So Joe, I am here for the sole purpose of pulling your feet back down to earth -- you're so high off the ground you're almost in orbit. I'm here to save you!