I could care less about counters on ANY site. They seem rather self-serving to the site. AS far as ring affiliations I do use those when surfing. I've got DSL, so flash openings are fine (the first time) Simply put... I will return to a site if I enjoy the experience (imagery, design and offerings). Counters, affiliations, awards, etc. rarely enhance my visit. I will visit Steven Stahlbergs site until the web dies. I truly enjoy looking at his work and get inspired ( or depressed) by the quality of his art. That is why I visit.