I don't think any of us were seriously thinking these things would actually be incorporated into Poser 5 or any later version. We were just having fun coming up with ideas. A "wish list" is all it is. I'm sorry a couple of you got into a disagreement over it. We were just having fun. My earlier reply in this thread was to request raytracing. That's not too far fetched. But I think people can wish without truly being serious about expecting it to happen. It doesn't have to be taken seriously. I don't expect CL to actually put a lot of those think into Poser, but I still had fun reading people's wishes. Melanie