maz; thanks for checking into this. the frogs are not on fun stuff, they are at poserworld. (www.poserworld.com) characters section 3. i will d/l it now and re-try it. it seems to be working for some people (or at least steve... maybe something happened after he put it on the server.) also, if anybody wants me to email them the original pcf, send a note to me at sphynx@gis.net; we can try that. sorry for the mess.