Thanks Dave. I thought the lighting was a little much on the Abunai themselves. I do want it to be a high contrast scene though, so I'm not sure how to go about softening the light on just the beasts without affecting the rest of the scene. Any ideas? So I CAN use an image map as a bump channel, that's great. I read somewhere that you couldn't but if an old pro like yourself says it's so, then it's so! Thanks.