While I do appreciate the skill involved in making Poser models realistic. (believe me, I have tried to use them in some artwork [clothed models, I dont have a need to do the nude thang] and they always seem plasticky) I will also take a techi/artistic view on the quality of image, but i will maintain that a lot of the images that are getting the viewings and commentry are really mindless people that seem to have bought Poser for that use only. I can appreciate even more the work of those that build their own humanoid models from scratch, that is skill! (And I hope to soon be able to join that stable.) Where is the A: artistic value B: technical skill C: point to putting a picture up on this site with just a sphere, a nekkid woman or man and some water to stand on. and usually there is no great pose the model just is there to make up the pixels..... Poppi, I think I saw where you got flamed, was it you who also said that all these images are not worth a rating of ten? Either way, at the time when I read what you said, I was in full agreement. We are supposed to be artists, we are supposed to have a modecum of open mindedness when it comes to other peoples' art, but there is a limit..... BTW, personally, I dont think that any kind of porn is art, sorry... I think maybe someone should take the plunge and open up Renderotica again, at least that would possibly bring down the one sidedness of the viewings here..... IMHO Peace all...