Operaguy, I've been buried since I got back and never got a chance to try Joe's methods yet - I was out of town longer than I thought I'd be. I hope to try it in the next few days. If you are looking for different faces, go to runtimedna. They have Ultra Morphs Set 2 with a face randomizer to make different faces for V4. You might try that out while waiting for someone more technically inclined to pop up.

www.runtimedna.com/mod/bcs/index.php

pjz99, neat modeling vids. Thanks for the link!

Kevin