Now there's an interesting point warzog. I have noticed the cliques that appear to occur on Renderosity.... WTB, whatever, man.... just the same as you, I'm allowed to have my opinion, and that is what it is.... interesting that you responded like that, a bit closed minded dont you think?.... hmmmmmmmmmm BTW, its not jealosy, it is voicing an observation I've had the displeasure of seeing.... Aaronius