Scarab, you may need to work with the 'Spew4You'. You can get good liquid effects if you spend some time with it. Bloodsong - Why would you need a utility for that? You mean like when you are using magnets and you do one side of the face and you want a mirror of that on the other side? Here's a simple shortcut: Add your additional magnets and set them to mirror the first magnet(s) settings. Usually it's the same amount in the opposite direction. That sounds like common sense, but there's been a lot of 'DOH!'s around here lately. ;-) Or did you mean in like Max or RDS? I can't offer any help there, sorry. Newc