Ditto with the hybrid renderer, Vue I think renders fine, it used to be very grainy, but its gotten a lot better, I have vue2 and even the images I creat in it come out "crisp";) I think I will end up getting both, but Bryce was my first 3D package...way back when dontcha know;) and hate to abandon a product I am so used too, got to expand the horizons though...use both:-D Still I think the demos, if and when they become available, will be the deciding factor.