Hi Jordy, Nope, you arn't buggering me off. You of all people should realize that! And yes you are right. I haden't noticed the pier shadow. I was trying to see just where exactly the sun was from the picture. It's a little dark so it was hard to tell. But I knew it was to the left. Just for the robot the shadow should actually be streched to the right about 6o degrees. If I did that though then it wouldn't look as menacing. Or so I thought. So I left it this way. I'm thinking of a series. Next time I'll try to compose things better. Bsteph