Quote - I'm going to agree with JOELGLAINE. It's not a conspiracy but an ideology that caused this mess. Unregulated capitalism is an ideology that both the so called left and the right have embraced unconditionally.

I suppose it depends on how you define left and right. Many Democrats "endorsed" unregulated capitalism essentially because those who bucked the trend were being voted out of office, i.e., they moved to the right, but to say the left endorsed it is just silly.

Quote - I think the slogan "we don't talk with terrorists" is only for the public and that there are a lot of secret meetings with Hamas, Iran, Syria etc. just to find  a solution for all the conflicts.

Talking is the only solution when shooting doesn't help.

There's no question about it. That we won't talk with our enemies is just another right-wing talking point. Kruschev said he would bury us, and we talked to him. We talk to everyone.

My point was that Xeno was arguing or at least implying that some on the left (or Obama in particular?) are advocating nothing but words will magically turn every evil brutal dictator in the world into goodness and light -- just another right-wing talking point with no connection whatsoever to what Obama or others have actually said.

I try in vain to get folks like Xeno to drop all the hyperbole and empty rhetoric, but it's simply hopeless ... and if anyone, like me, actually pays attention to what right-wingers have been saying publicly for years and years, and starts to think they really meant it, well, we're just conspiracy nuts, I guess.