thanx guys & gals... i appreciate the advice ill work on some more renderings to post tonight and try to get another image up in a few days.. got work to catch up with.. anyone got lighting tutorials i cant seem to get the effects i desire and i want to know if its possible to create a scaleable light set on a circle say that will keep the lights placement arround the circle constant but let me scale the cicrle or a lights placed back to back in the hopes of creating a starburst... or to place into a glass sphere to light from within at all angles... any help appreciated.. thanx...