Quote - When you say poser is doing strange things, what do you mean? Any time I rebuild the hip or reparent it to a new bone I often have to rebuild the IK, also I often loose the parenting of the foot to the shin and have to reparent it. is that what you mean?

Sorry, I forgot to say. Basically, I saved as a new cr2, then tried to load it back into Poser and the whole figure was invisible. I could only see the hair and pearls.

Maybe it was some sporadic bug. I'll try again and let you know. I didn't see the jackknife effect with the abdomen as the base, but when I tried your setup with the second hip bone, Poser ignored my spherical fall-off zones and angles for the hip movements.

I think I'll have a go with the new rigging system for D/S at some point, and see if that behaves more predictable.

-- I'm not mad at you, just Westphalian.