I guess I could paint some nice 2D trees with my Jungle Bundle for Painter but it's not the same. Feels a bit like cheating... ;) External 3D models have to be really big too if you want any detail and then there's the texturing... I'm counting on E-on will release new trees optimized for Vue 4 on their web later, free ones or not... (I tried to logon to the download service with my Vue4 password but it wouldn't work...) /J