Actually, I hold the corner on the market for dimwitted remarks, timag... nice try, tho... LOL All these most recent renders of Bagginsbill have served to really make me wonder whether Poser 7 Pro is more of an essential upgrade than I first thought, given what Bill's been able to achieve with it. But then, it's the shaders, isn't it? So, if I had a good enough grasp on the shaders, I could pretty much duplicate (or at least emulate) these sorts of results in Poser 7 (not Pro)? Or even 6? Or, given that the principles of the shaders are what really make the scene happen, another renderer altogether... say: Kerkythea?

I have been having a play with Kerkythea - had a long thread going about transmapped hair on their forums that we kinda got sorted out - you probably remember the discussion, Bill. Given that you've played with more renderers than any of us, how would you rate Kerkythea against Poser 7 Pro? or is that comparing apples and pomegranates?

And, setting up your shaders in Kerkythea... any pitfalls (besides transmapped hair) that you can think of?

Sorry - didn't mean to hijack the thread... you can all just ignore this if you feel so inclined...

Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2

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