Quote - That is the point I was trying to make, Joe nailed it. I'm not looking for bulges, I'm looking for wrinkles or folds that show they are comfortable. Same for females.

Exactly

All I have seen lately are Pants that follow every contour and line of the legs.
They do not Fall or Hang.
In fact they all look like Spandex, Tap Pants etc etc etc.........

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