I figured it out!!!!! I was not putting the mark in the bottom transparency. That made it work just fine. I reduced the ambiance and diffusion from 100 to about 75 and it worked. If it ever finishes rendering, I'll post the finished shot. Thanks everybody for the help. It is all starting to make more sense. It is taking so long to render this small image it is unbelievable. I am excited about Bryce 5 being able to use the shared resources of network computers. I have 7 computers (2 Macs 7 Pc) and will be able to set up all my renders and let the 7 computers do the work together at night. Sounds like it is going to be pretty cool. Well thanks again.