THanks for your responses.  The shorts are the problem, the boy shorts for V4 just aren't quite right.  I am looking for something more authentic looking, kind of like Roogna's workout wear shorts.  But those aren't quite right either and they don't work with any tights I've found so far.  I'd make them myself but I am just not that good at modelling clothes for V4.  Not yet anyway.

Hydra