Well its wierd...after this is over next week I have to send the files to evoia. I got it to work twice...on one I was able to select all the options (bump, reflections, shadows, etc) but had to disable aurora. The one I chose to keep worked when I disabled bump mapping but I was able to keep aurora on. This has happened a lot recently. On the tunnel part of the animation it would keep giving me nil errors until I took off motion blur. I think that if you turn everything on the post filters have strange problems. Hopefully Eovia will be able to find them after I send the files to them.