World Builder V3 has come way down in price. ($299, last I heard) but it DOES have a fairly complex user interface, geared less toward artists and more toward tech people (architects, engineers, etc...) As was said, Bryce 5 isn't out yet, but I expect it to be a significant improvement over Bryce 4. Just remember, When you're dealing with Corel (makers of Bryce 5) you and expect service that's second to all! I have to say as an artist, that Vue4 is a blast! The amount of gratification is so high compared to the amount of effort. Vue4 IS having a few teething problems (typical of new software) but E-On's tech support has been first class, and I expect the problems to be resolved very quickly. -SMT

I'd rather stay in my lane than lay in my stain!